Saturday, November 01, 2008

Dia De Muertos







I find it interesting that we have Halloween on October the 31st, then Dia De Muertos or Day of the Dead on November 1st, but the church uses November the 1st for All Saints Day and puts off All Souls Day until the 2nd.

I have to ask myself why this is. the pagan origins of celebrating the time when the veil between the world of the living and that of the dead is common in so many cultures. Today at a Dia De Muertos celebration in Seattle Center I was privileged to witness a group of South American Native dancers dance an ancient dance and preform part of the old religious traditions of this time of the year. One of the members of the dance troop said that originally this took place over forty days of dance and ritual.

In the Celtic calendar, and today for many Neo-pagans and modern day Wiccans Samhain is one of the holiest days of the year. The modern celebration of Halloween is only a sad reflection of what the rites really meant. The harvest aspect of Samhain is mostly lost in modern city society. Still it warms my heart to see all the kids dressed up in costumes and running around begging for candy. I still look at this as the day when every little girl wants to grow up to be me. When they come to the door dressed in long black dresses and wearing pointy hats I love to look at them and say "you, know, we don't really wear those silly hats". The look on their mothers faces is priceless.

Once again I have gone off on a tangent. Where was I. Ah yes, complaining that the church as co-opted a pagan sabot by calling it All Saints Day. Why All SAINTS on November 1st!!! Sure have a day for all the saints, that's fine, but NOT on the day for ALL the dead. You will notice that they couldn't get the festival out of the hearts of the people. They couldn't keep native peoples from Ireland or France way over to Brazil or Mexico. Honoring our ancestors and celebrating the Turning of the Wheel is a natural part of who we are as a part of nature as opposed to being outside of nature.
But then here we have the Church telling people that this day is only for the super special people that lived lives that were expectable in the eyes of the Church. Since they couldn't wipe it out, they relabeled it as All Saints Day. But since they really couldn't get it out of the psyche of the people they tacked on All Souls Day after. Why not let October 31st and/or November 1st as the Day of the Dead, the time when the we reflect on our own mortality and how fleeting our time is on this earth.

Let's look at what wikipedia says:
The custom of setting apart a special day for intercession for certain of the faithful departed is very old. But the celebration of general intercession on 2 November was first established by St. Odilo of Cluny (d. 1048) at his monastery of Cluny in 998.

All Saints Day used to be on May 13th and coincided with another pagan festival, so when it was moved to it's current date, why chose Nov. 1st? If it was too close to one pagan holiday why not pick something else all together? Or is that to the pagan every day is a holy day so it would have been hard to pick one that wasn't?

At least with the harvest festival of Samhain that has it's connections to the cycle of birth, death and rebirth that can be seen in the changing of the seasons on a yearly basis if not in our own lives until we come closer to the end of them, then with the Dia De Muertos on the following day, moving from harvest to death, then All Souls on Nov 2nd we can see the same sort of need to feel close to our dead being played out in the Requiem Eucharist. The three days flow so well together, community, pagan, christian. Yet when we try to toss All Saints in the middle of it, for me it takes away from the inner connections with the dead by narrowing it to only some day.

What really baffles me is that modern Gnostic churches don't see this. They continue to follow the Roman Catholic liturgical calendar. OK, to put it even more plainly, The Ecclesia Gnostica is the largest modern Gnostic church and since they have put so much into their website and maintain such a great liturgical calendar, theirs is the calendar that seems to get followed.

In my parish we are guilty as charged of doing this. I am proposing that a different date be found for an All Gnostic Saints Day. I have no idea when in the Church year this could be squeezed in but it is worth looking into. After all why are Gnostic Churches trying to just duplicate the Roman Church from the rituals to the Archonic hierarchal system of authority.

I don't mean to throw the baby out with the with the bath water. The liturgical calendar follows the life of the Christos and the cycles that it runs threw serve a purpose that we need to follow. I am simply saying that we don't need to just follow the bouncing ball and do everything that the Roman church does. If anyone in the Gnostic community has a good idea as to when All Gnostic Saints Day should be celebrated, send me an email. I too will be pondering and praying on this. If nothing else I can see All Souls Day being moved to Nov 1st to be the days the Day of the Dead and putting All Gnostic Saints (or All Saints of the Gnosis Day if you will) to November the 2nd.

Just a thought.

Rev. Mother M+

6 comments:

Anthony said...

The AJC celebrates all Gnostic Saints on November 22nd annually.

Trish said...

Hi Rev Mother M+,

I'm glad you got to see the South American dance ritual, though fourty days of worship sounds full on (ah, for the times gone by where the celebration of the sacred didn't necessitate the sacrifice of Earning A Living).

Because I was only looking at the EG Calendar yesterday (courtesy of Father Tim+), I wonder if you've noticed 'Gnostic All Saints' on November 23rd?

http://gnosis.org/ecclesia/lect162.htm


I'm even more glad that you're blogging again,

Pax et bonum,
Sr. Trish

Marsha+ said...

Hi Anthony,

It's nice that you do celebrate on the 22nd but your website also shows that you celebrate All Saints Day and All Souls Day on the same days as the RCC.
So can you tell me WHY your church uses Nov. 22nd as 'All Gnostic Saints Day'?

The day of any given saint is usually the date of their death, rather than their birth. That being a given why did the AJC choose Nov 22nd as All Gnostic Saints day other than the EG was doing it years before the AJC was around that is.

In fact can any one from the EG tell me why that is the date for this? Do you see what I am driving at and why I want to know?

Rev. Mother Marsha

Sr. Pam said...

I don't have the answer, Rev. Mother, but... I just wanted to tell you that I really enjoyed reading your post.
Sr. Pam

Marsha+ said...

I don't have the answer either. It is really why I put the post out there. No one else has been able to explain it to me. It was never even brought up in all my training.

I suppose all I have accomplished in my asking is pissing off a few people. The secondary goal was to get my fellow Gnostics to think about what it is we Ecclesiastical Gnostic types do, instead of just doing them.

Mostly I just wanted to know.

Marsha

Margie McArthur said...

The way in which having All Saints Day during this season makes sense to me is that, while the "Saints" are deceased, and therefore part of the company of "All Souls," they are not just any old souls; because they are saints, they are special. They can, perhaps, be equated with the Wiccan concept of the "Mighty Dead," who are invoked at Samhain.

So the mighty dead/saints are honored/invoked on one day during the feast of the dead, and the following day all the rest of the departed souls are honored and prayed for.

If that makes any sense....